The Cosmetic Dentistry Blog

September 18, 2009

All porcelain crown vs. porcelain fused to metal

Filed under: Crowns for front teeth — iowasmiles @ 5:24 pm

Dear Dr. Hall,
I have an old crown in a front tooth. I visited a cosmetic dentist who works as an associate of a very famous cosmetic dentist in my area. He said he won’t know if he can do an all porcelain crown or a porcelain fused to metal crown until he removes my current crown. He also mentioned that even if he has to use a porcelain fused to metal crown, he will be able to add several layers of porcelain to make sure the metal won’t be shown or leave a shadow thorugh my gum.

Can I, as a patient, request that my crown be all porcelain or all ceramic? or should I let my cosmetic dentist pick the most appropriate for me?. I was initially going to have my general dentist have the crown done, but decided to go to a cosmetic dentist after exhaustively reading your website. Thank you for taking the time and effort to reply to our e-mails. Your website is so helpful! Margarita

Margarita,

First, no I think it’s a big mistake for you to try to push a dentist into any type of crown that he or she doesn’t recommend. Dentists that are comfortable doing all-porcelain crowns will by far prefer them on front teeth, provided they have a strong esthetic sense.

Please forgive me if am missing something, but I can’t imagine any reason this dentist would need to take your existing crown off before being able to tell you if he can do an all-porcelain crown on your front tooth. I haven’t met a front tooth that I couldn’t do an all-porcelain crown on. And no matter how much porcelain he layers over the metal, he can’t make the metal translucent – it’s still porcelain fused to metal. Is this guy trying to pull the wool over your eyes? What makes you think he is a cosmetic dentist? And being “famous” isn’t a credential for cosmetic dentistry.

I recommend you get a second opinion from someone better – someone who loves doing all porcelain crowns.  Is there anyone on our recommended list who is close enough to you that you could go see them for this crown?

Especially if it is ONE front tooth – you need a real artist to get it matched right, and it needs to be all porcelain.
- Dr. Hall

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June 26, 2009

Crowns are wrong color

Filed under: Crowns for front teeth — iowasmiles @ 5:39 pm

Dr.Hall,
This might be a stupid question, but I’m going to ask it anyway. Two days ago I got porcelain crowns for my two front teeth. The color of them is noticeably more yellow than the rest of my teeth. I was in a lot of pain from sitting in the chair so I didn’t really get a long look at them before I left. But when I got out into the sun, I looked again and noticed a big difference. Now if I wanted whiter crowns, I would have to pay for them all over again right? (which I’m definitely not about to do, seeing as I already spent a fortune on them!) Or do you know if they can be whitened at all? I’m thinking that since I just got them done, that maybe he can do it over with a whiter shade….for free? Sorry if this is a stupid question, I just don’t know what to do….thanks for your time!
- Jennifer in Massachusetts

Jennifer,
This is one of the most consistent differences between the expert cosmetic dentists that we recommend on www.mynewsmile.com and others who just call themselves cosmetic dentists. There is that passion that true cosmetic dentists have that they want to make sure the work looks perfect to you before they cement it in or bond it. The other 98% of dentists really love to fix things and don’t have much appreciation for appearance-related issues. They really don’t see the importance of making sure you have a good look at the teeth before putting them in. Part of the reason may be that they think it looks “good enough” and they’re afraid you’ll be too fussy.

You’re kind of stuck with the color, unfortunately. Nothing you can do to porcelain will lighten the color. The only option is to re-do them. Maybe your dentist will do that for free. You can always ask.

Don’t let anyone talk you into putting porcelain veneers on top of the crowns. That has the potential for looking really bad, and if it’s done right, it will cost the same as re-doing the crowns. It doesn’t make any sense at all—don’t do it.
Dr. Hall

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December 23, 2008

Do they do smile makeovers with crowns?

Filed under: Crowns for front teeth, Porcelain veneers — iowasmiles @ 10:18 pm

Dr. Hall,
I recently had a smile makeover done. I had thought I got porcelain veneers, but it looks like the porcelain goes all the way around my teeth. I assume this is because my teeth as they were previous were not good candidates for veneers? Is it normal to have the entire tooth covered when done only for cosmetic reasons? I’ve gone to other dentists since having them done and they are all impressed, and say that it is normal. What do you think?
- Andrew in Utah

Andrew,
The difference between porcelain veneers and porcelain crowns is only a matter of degree, and there is no hard-and-fast distinction pinning down exactly when a porcelain veneer becomes a crown. And most cosmetic dentists have fees that are either exactly the same or very nearly the same for either procedure, because they take about the same amount of work.

And yes, it is common to have porcelain crowns done across the front teeth for cosmetic reasons. There are several reasons a dentist may include the whole tooth in a smile makeover–if the tooth is weakened for any reason, if there are existing fillings in the teeth, or if it is needed to control the bite.

I would expect the dentist to discuss this with you and if he or she recommends crowns, to explain why. Most cosmetic dentists try to be as conservative as possible, meaning that they try to preserve natural tooth structure as much as possible. Crowns are a more aggressive treatment than porcelain veneers: Veneers require a very light shaving of the front of the tooth; crowns require a substantial reduction of the tooth all the way around. So I would expect to be given a good reason for getting crowns rather than veneers.
- Dr. Hall

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December 1, 2008

Can I use Supersmile toothpaste with porcelain crowns?

Filed under: Porcelain crowns, Toothpaste — iowasmiles @ 6:01 am

Dr. Hall,
I would like to know if I can use supersmile toothpaste with porcelain crowns? I have porcelain crowns.
Linda in Louisiana

Dear Linda,
Yes, Supersmile toothpaste works great with porcelain crowns. Supersmile was designed for use with extensive cosmetic dental work. It keeps stains away, yet it is non-abrasive.
- Dr. Hall

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October 8, 2008

Filed under: Porcelain crowns — iowasmiles @ 2:54 pm

Dr. Hall,
About 1 1/2 years ago I had nine front teeth replaced by a “cosmetic” dentist. One front central tooth broke in April and now a second tooth has fallen off. I am awaiting replacement on Monday. The replacement tooth in April my dentist’s assistant ordered was incorrect in color and shape which the dentist tried to reshape.

I have no confidence in this Dentist or assistant. I know Dr. Smith uses a plastic/porcelain mixture as his advertisement states porcelain crowns prone to fracture. And Dr. Jones [not their real names] has good credentials.

I would appreciate your input please on both these dentists & is resin/porcelain effective?
Thank you,
Jeanne from Florida

Jeanne,
Unfortunately, the law allows this term “cosmetic dentist” to be tossed around pretty loosely. I can find no evidence, in my sources, of any significant credentials in cosmetic dentistry for either dentist you mention. But because cosmetic dentistry isn’t a legally separate specialty they can make claims to being cosmetic dentists. That’s why I maintain this web site – to help steer people around this confusion.

And I can only guess at what your dentist means by “plastic/porcelain mixture,” as this is unusual terminology. My guess is that he is referring to composite, and if this is the case, it is a poor substitute for porcelain. It is weaker, not nearly as long-lasting, and much more susceptible to staining. But it is easier to work with and less expensive to fabricate.

Porcelain or ceramic crowns, done right, are NOT prone to fracture and are the most beautiful restorations in dentistry today. Done right and maintained properly, they are practically impervious to staining and they don’t break.

Dr. Hall

Helpful links:
Porcelain crowns
Care of porcelain veneers
GlamSmile veneers are cheap, but are they good?
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July 10, 2008

Porcelain crowns are now rough/dentist on our insurance list

Filed under: Crowns for front teeth, Dental insurance, Finding a cosmetic dentist — iowasmiles @ 12:02 am

Dr. Hall,
My wife recently had porcelain crowns on front upper teeth. At a follow-up appointment, the dentist attempted to “buff” the crowns to make the color match color of surrounding teeth. Now her color is still off and the crowns have no shiny appearance. The dental assistant who says she was present during buffing says the color is as close a match as possible with what was available and that porcelain won’t be shiny like natural teeth. Unfortunately, the dentist is not a cosmetic dentist. We are seeing him because he’s on our insurance approved list.

Any advice will be greatly appreciated-
- Charlie from Indiana

Charlie,
A couple of points.

First, yes, you are right, the porcelain should be shiny. But it’s worse than you think. Besides looking dull, when the dentist buffed off the glaze on the porcelain, he or she made them so that now they will stain, so they will look even worse as time goes on. But a cosmetic dentist can bring the shine back with a diamond polish.

Second, you have to decide if you just want your teeth “fixed” so they are functional, or if you want them to look nice, because if you want them to look nice, you will have to pay for it. You will not get a beautiful result from a dentist that is on any insurance company approved list. Dental insurance companies make these approved lists by finding dentists who are willing to cut corners and thus cut costs. That approach is simply incompatible with good cosmetic dentistry.

My advice would be to find a cosmetic dentist near you from our list of Indiana cosmetic dentists, and have that dentist bring back the shine and make these look as good as possible. The dentist you are going to may be a good “fixer,” but does not appear to even understand the esthetic problem he or she has created.
- Dr. Hall

Related links:
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June 7, 2008

The porcelain crown looks funny.

Filed under: Crowns for front teeth, Porcelain veneers — iowasmiles @ 6:00 pm

Dr. Hall,
I just had 4 veneers placed on my top teeth. One is a crown. After having them permanently placed, I noticed (on the crown tooth) an outline, sort of like a patch, underneath the tooth. The doctor said it was my original tooth. It seems there’s more cement concentrated on that tooth which shows through. The doctor said no one would notice it but I do and am unhappy about it. She said if she were to replace it, the new veneer would look different from the other 3 because it wasn’t made at the same time. I don’t know what to do. I signed a form stating I consented to the way they look however had I seen this prior to her placing them on permanently, I would have brought it up. Is there any truth to what she’s saying? Am I taking a chance getting a new one put in and having it not blend in with the others? Should she charge me?
- Janet in New York

Dear Janet,
This is typical of what happens when you go to a general dentist who isn’t expert in cosmetic dentistry, and I’ll see if I can help you.

General dentists are taught in dental school that they know what is best for you, and your job is to just accept that. True cosmetic dentists are different — they are very tuned in to what you think, and if you don’t like how the work looks, then they consider the treatment a failure, and they will stay with you until you love it, as long as you’re reasonable.

My opinion is that this dentist should fix this until you like it. The reason being, and I’m guessing somewhat at this, that you agreed to the porcelain veneers simply for the sake of the appearance. Thus, this dentist was representing to you that she was going to make your smile look great. And it doesn’t. Her response to you is typical of general dentists — she knows how it is supposed to look, and it doesn’t matter that you don’t like it.

And I’m a little confused in what you’re telling me. You said you signed a consent form that you liked how they look. But then you say you didn’t see this prior to her placing them on the teeth permanently. That’s confusing. And then you say this is the crown tooth, but then you’re going to replace the veneer, which is confusing, too. But I’ll guess at what you’re meaning and give you some general direction. True cosmetic dentists will let you get a long, hard look at what things look like before putting them on and will be sure you have examined every detail. General dentists generally give you a quick look in the mirror while you’re upside-down in the chair, and that’s it.

A good cosmetic dentist teamed with a good dental laboratory will be able to duplicate the shade and shape of the crown and match it to the other veneers. That may be beyond the ability of this dentist, but it is routine for a good cosmetic dentist. If it were me, I would ask that she do this, and in my opinion, it should be for no charge. And the way to make sure it looks the same is to insist on getting a complete look when it’s tried in and pin her down — does this look exactly like it’s going to look once it’s on? It isn’t acceptable to have it put on permanently before you see how it looks, to make sure it matches. There are ways to check this, and she should know these. But it shouldn’t be that hard this soon from when the case was first done. She should have a copy of her instructions to the lab on the shade to make this crown. The same instructions to the same lab should produce the same result.

And then, please tell your friends that when they want things done to beautify their smile, to go to a real cosmetic dentist. Only a couple percent of dentists are artistic enough and really care that much about beautiful smiles to do a good job at that. Check our list of recommended cosmetic dentists for help with this.

I hope this is helpful.
- Dr. Hall

Related information:
Porcelain crowns for front teeth.
Porcelain veneers
The difference between a cosmetic dentist and a general dentist
Read about one-visit Cerec crowns
Click here to find a cosmetic dentist

October 31, 2007

Why is porcelain fused to metal used on molars?

Filed under: Crowns for front teeth, Porcelain crowns — iowasmiles @ 8:34 am

Dr. Hall,
What could be the possible reasons for having a dentin-bonded all-porcelain crown on a central incisor and a porcelain fused to metal crown on the first molar? Also what would be the differences between the two different kinds of materials?

Thank you and much appreciated.
- Ranje from Alabama

Dear Ranje,
There are two reasons for using the all-porcelain crown on an incisor and porcelain fused to metal on a molar:

1. Porcelain fused to metal crowns are stronger than pure porcelain. Pure porcelain is plenty strong enough to serve on an incisor. They are usually strong enough to serve on a first molar, but there could be a risk of cracking of the crown on a first molar, and that’s why even some true cosmetic dentists will use porcelain fused to metal on molars.

2. And back on a first molar, it is very difficult for others to tell the difference between a porcelain fused to metal crown and an all-porcelain crown. All-porcelain has a lifelike translucency, where porcelain fused to metal is opaque and develops a dark line at the gumline. Unless you have a really wide smile, people simply aren’t going to see that on your first molar. In my practice, I never used porcelain fused to metal crowns on front teeth–they’re just ugly, especially after you’re used to the beauty of all porcelain crowns. Patients, after being told the difference, were always willing to pay a premium, beyond their insurance coverage, for the lifelike all-porcelain crown on a front tooth.

But we need a warning here. Do not ask your dentist to do an all-porcelain crown for you on a front tooth if he or she hasn’t brought it up. These crowns require special expertise. If your dentist knew how to do them well, he or she would not want to do any other type of crown for you. Take their failure to mention this option as evidence that they’re uncomfortable with the clinical requirements of the more beautiful crown, and if it’s important enough to you that this is what you want, find a true cosmetic dentist to do this right. The all-porcelain crown will break if it’s not bonded on properly. And your dentist is very unlikely to confess, when pressed, that he or she isn’t familiar with the bonding techniques–they simply won’t let on that this is an issue.

- Dr. Hall

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October 10, 2007

What are the best materials for implants and crowns?

Filed under: Dental implants, Porcelain crowns — iowasmiles @ 12:59 pm

Hello,
I am planning on getting alot of cosmetic work done to my teeth. I need around 10 implants on the top front of my mouth.

1. I wanted to know what you think of Astra implants from the UK?

2. I would like to know what you thought about Cercon smart ceramic zirconium crowns? I think I read on your site that zirconium is not as aesthetic as all porcelain crowns, but isn’t zirconium clear? They say that these particular crowns are as tough as porcelain fused to metal crowns, do you have a comment on them?

3. I had one dentist tell me that white colored metal fused to porcelain, or gold fused to porcelain, will not show a black line, Is this true?

4. are zirconium abutments for my implants, more aesthetic pleasing then all white abutments?

Thank you for answering my questions. It’s hard to get real answers on the topic of cosmetic dentistry.
- Edward from Connecticut

Edward,
I’m going to answer your question differently from what you’re expecting. I think your focus is wrong. You’re focusing on the materials. You should be focusing on the artist.

You start off saying you want cosmetic work on your teeth. Does that mean you want a beautiful smile? If so, then I believe you’re headed for trouble. Because you’re trying to decide yourself what are the best materials, as if you are planning to micro-manage your cosmetic dentist.

Imagine with me that as part of your employment you are asked to commission a painting to grace the hallway that leads into your corporate offices. And then you busy your time finding out what brand of paints and brushes will produce the best results, and the light you want your artist to use, the stool for her to sit on, and everything else. You will be stifling your artist. What you want to do is find the best artist, and one maybe that you feel a “connection” with, who feels motivated to please you, and then turn her loose on your project, and then YOU get the ARTIST the materials she feels she needs to produce the results you want. Creativity needs an atmosphere of trust and needs freedom in which to operate, if you’re going to get a beautiful result. Your dentist artist also needs to have a strong rapport with you in order to feel motivated to create a beautiful smile that you love. If you go forward with this micromanaging philosophy, your dentist is going to want to kick you out the door and won’t care WHAT you think, in the end.

Additionally, there is no way that you can learn enough about dentistry in the time frame you have to make an intelligent decision on these materials. There are pros and cons of each of the materials, and they depend on the mechanics and the demands of your case. You need a deep background in dentistry to be able to evaluate the claims of the manufacturers of these different materials and devices as well as the independent research. And even then, you won’t really know how they work until you try them. There are many stories of dentists using new materials where the research made them look like fabulous materials, but in clinical use there was a completely unexpected issue that arose that created a disaster.

And, if that weren’t enough, there is the issue of what material works best in your dentist’s hands. Most dental materials and techniques have a learning curve, and they work best when the dentist is fully familiar with the technique and the quirks of the material. You push your dentist to use a material she isn’t familiar with, and you’re asking for trouble.

Having said that, there is one of your specific questions that I’d like to answer, and that is about porcelain fused to metal. No, it isn’t true that porcelain fused to gold or to a white metal won’t show a black line at the gumline. I don’t understand what this dentist has told you, if he’s saying that only metals that aren’t white or gold show the line. Every metal we use in crowns is either white in color or gold. The line may not be black – it may be gray – but it will show if it is above the gumline. That’s because the line is the cement line. I often did porcelain fused to gold alloy restorations, or fused to platinum alloy, and they would show that line. Even fused to pure gold. It’s the bonding technique that eliminates the line, and the bonding technique is used with pure ceramic. There are techniques that MINIMIZE the dark line, such as cutting the metal back at the margin, giving you what is called a porcelain butt margin, but they won’t eliminate it.

And zirconium is white, not clear. It’s zirconium oxide, actually, and it is opaque white. But used properly it can produce very esthetic results, if it is covered with a more translucent ceramic. And yes, it is very tough.
- Dr. Hall

Helpful pages from www.mynewsmile.com:
Porcelain fused to metal crowns
Various types of all-ceramic or all-porcelain crowns
Dental implants
The difference between a cosmetic dentist, who is an artist, and a general dentist
More blog postings on finding a cosmetic dentist you can trust and developing a good working relationship with that cosmetic dentist.

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September 29, 2007

New porcelain/zirconia crowns are too big

Filed under: Crowns for front teeth — iowasmiles @ 3:57 pm

Dr. Hall,
I just spent thousands of dollars on dental work. We finally got to the end with 4 Porcelain/zirconuim crowns on my top front teeth. They are bulky, they are thick front to back and they stick out a little further than my adjacent teeth. My dentist said that they restored my teeth to what they would have been prior to decay. My teeth were NEVER this big. What can I do as far as my dentist if I am not happy. I thought I would be smiling all the time but now I can’t even stand to look at them.
- Debbie from Texas

Debbie,
You’re another example of what I hear so much. I think the best you can do is help tell your friends to go to an artist/expert cosmetic dentist for their beautiful smile, not to their wonderful, kind, family dentist, so they don’t end up with this same problem.

I’m reading a little in between the lines and making some assumptions here, but it sounds like your dentist is the typical technician-minded dentist who was trained that he or she knows what is best for the patient and thinks that you’re making too big a deal of this appearance issue. The dentist did what he or she thought was best for you, and in their mind, this is their job, and you’re just supposed to accept that.

A true cosmetic dentist understands all the ingredients of a beautiful smile and gives a lot more attention to these appearance issues. He or she will work with you in designing exactly how your teeth will look BEFORE ever doing the case, and then will give you ample opportunity to try the crowns in before they’re cemented to make sure they look the way you want them to. Most general dentists will hand you a mirror while you’re upside-down in the chair and let you have one quick look before they’re permanently cemented. What you really need is the chance to sit up, let your lips assume their natural position, and get a good long time to check them out. Then you know they’re right. Dentists like we list on our web site who are passionate about appearance-related dentistry will make sure you like them before they’re cemented.

At this point, they’re cemented in. Porcelain/zirconia crowns can’t really be trimmed in size much because the dentist would grind through the surface porcelain to the zirconia core, which would give an unacceptable result. If you’re sweet and insistent and communicate how much you hate these crowns, you may be able to talk your dentist into re-doing them and this time making sure you have ample opportunity to see that they’re what you want before they’re permanently cemented. But he or she wouldn’t be legally required to do that because the way most dentists think, it’s the dentist’s job to decide how they should look and whether or not you like them isn’t an important issue.

Dr. Hall

Read more about:
porcelain crowns
porcelain crowns for front teeth
the difference between an expert cosmetic dentist and a general dentist
other types of all-porcelain crowns including zirconia crowns
smile design

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