Does Donald Trump have porcelain veneers? Yes, he does, and here’s the interesting story behind his getting them.
It was back a little more than 15 years ago that I heard this story from Dr. Larry Rosenthal, a prominent cosmetic dentist with offices just off Madison Avenue on Manhattan’s upper east side. I had gotten to know Larry when we worked together on the first Public Relations Committee of the AACD in 1994-95.
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Donald Trump, before smile makeover
In one of his lectures that I attended, Larry told about Donald Trump coming to him for a smile makeover. Larry was famous as a “dentist to the stars,” doing many new smiles for famous models, actors, and actresses.
Dr. Rosenthal looked at Donald Trump’s teeth and then told him he needed a certain number of porcelain veneers for his smile makeover. I don’t remember the exact number. From the width of his smile, I’m guessing it was at least ten, maybe twelve. Trump said he didn’t want to do that many. But Dr. Rosenthal was adamant that he didn’t want to do the case unless he could do it the way he wanted and insisted that he needed to do the ten or twelve teeth or he didn’t want to take the case. So Trump walked out.
Donald called back later that day and scheduled an appointment
to get the work done.
When Dr. Rosenthal told this story, it gave me the impression that Donald Trump had actually thought over what Dr. Rosenthal had said and changed his mind about going forward. But knowing now what I know about The Donald, I am convinced that this was only a tactic that Trump had used to determine that Dr. Rosenthal was being straight with him. I’m confident, for example, that if Dr. Rosenthal had waffled and as Trump was getting ready to leave said, “You know, if you insist, we can do just the six teeth,” that Trump would not have gone forward. It was a negotiating strategy, walking out, to see exactly how strongly Dr. Rosenthal felt about it and if he was willing to lose him as a patient over it. Once he knew that, he trusted him.
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Dr. David A. Hall was one of the first 40 accredited cosmetic dentists in the world. He practiced cosmetic dentistry in Iowa, and in 1990 earned his accreditation with the American Academy of Cosmetic Dentistry. He is now president of Infinity Dental Web, a company in Mesa, Arizona that does advanced internet marketing for dentists.
You can get too analytical about a smile makeover and miss the beauty.
Hi Dr. Hall,
Love your site. I am planning to have 6 front upper teeth redone by a dentist you recommend on your site. Four crowns and two veneers. The dentist and I discussed the shape of teeth I wanted, looked at photos. I mentioned several times that I wanted more prominent eye teeth. He said I would be able to see this if we made a model. I paid $365 to have a model done but the model looks kind of like what I have now. He said not to worry that he would make the adjustments when he does the teeth. Is that possible? Does this mean he is creating the shape when he makes the temporaries. He’s not been really clear about this. It is expensive so I’m concerned. Please advise as my appt. is in a few weeks.
Thank you
– Eileen from Michigan.
Eileen,
What your dentist is doing sounds reasonable. However, I’m worried that there may be a communication breakdown in the making here, so I will give you some advice on what to do.
The model you had made would be called a diagnostic model. When the porcelain veneers and crowns are made, the model will be used as a pattern only. The ceramist will have the model sitting on the bench in front of him or her and will visually use it as a guide. And the change you are asking for, having more prominent canine or eye teeth, is not too complicated. The dentist may make the change on the model before it is sent to the ceramist, or he will simply tell the ceramist the change.
But since there could be differences of opinion in what constitutes more prominent canine teeth or just how prominent you want them, it would be reasonable, in my opinion, for you to ask to see the model done the way you want it before your appointment, which I’m guessing is the tooth preparation appointment. Especially since you have paid for this diagnostic model. That will assure you that you are both on the same page. Be bold in your request. I’m confident the dentist will not be offended, and making sure you are happy with the design at this stage could save him time and money down the road.
Your basic guarantee that you will have the smile you want, that you will love, will come when the dentist does the try-in. Every excellent cosmetic dentist will want to be sure, before any new smile is permanently bonded, that the patient loves the smile and will be proud to show it off. The veneers and crowns will be tried in with some type of try-in paste, and you will be given a good look at the final result. If you are hesitant at all, make sure that the dentist understands your concerns and makes the requested changes before the case is bonded on.
This is a key difference between the 98% of dentists who may be good dentists but are not esthetically sensitive, and the remaining 2% who are excellent cosmetic dentists – they are passionate about making their work beautiful, and they understand that the beauty of the smile is in the eyes of the patient who owns it. I have talked with many of these excellent cosmetic dentists, and they all have that commitment to a successful try-in on a happy patient before a smile makeover would be bonded onto the teeth. If at the try-in, you are not happy with how it looks, every excellent cosmetic dentist I have asked has said that he or she would, without hesitation, send the case back to the ceramist to be fixed or remade. So speak up now, and it will save your dentist that risk.
If you have any difficult with this, please let me know. I would be more than happy to intervene on your behalf. It’s important to my reputation, also, that the dentists I recommend do beautiful cosmetic dentistry that pleases their patients.
– Dr. Hall
Eileen took my advice, had the teeth prepared, and then e-mailed me again two months later:
Dr. Hall,
You answered one of my concerns but now I have a much larger one. I went ahead and agreed to have my 6 teeth done with one of the people on your list. I think he is an excellent dentist but I am concerned about the place I find myself now. I did ask for a wider smile and it appeared that it was in looking at the model. What I didn’t realize is that in order to create that wider smile, the new teeth would overhang my bottom teeth creating a kind of overbite. It looks okay when I’m smiling and when my mouth is closed, but when I”m talking or my mouth is open, the bottom teeth look pushed back compared to the new teeth. I couldn’t tell this was happening in the model but mentioned it immediately after the temporaries went in. Everyone in the office said they really didn’t notice it.
I wrote the dentist a detailed email. He said I shouldn’t focus on the bottom teeth so much and that it looked fine and I should tell the lab about my concerns. Which I did when I went to see the teeth and the lab guy said he thought they looked fine too and wasn’t noticing the overbite. Then we got off on other subjects around the teeth. I called the next morning to say I felt we hadn’t really resolved the overbite issue and the lab guy said there wasn’t much he could do and had already finished the teeth for my approval.
The lab guy said he made the teeth less straight and a little more curved than the temporaries but that he really couldn’t do much about the overbite. I do feel that the “overbite” concern” really wasn’t ever addressed and I guess I’m wondering too if I’m just focusing on it too much. I’ve included some photos. Could you look at these and tell me whether you think this is within the acceptable range. I know the new teeth are slightly more curved at the bottom so that should help a little but I’m still concerned it looks a little weird. I’m attaching a couple of photos. These are the temporaries and my original smile.I’ve included two where you can see the overbite I’m concerned about. I do understand that compromise is always a part of something like this I just wonder if this was the right one…. Thanks so much for your help. Hope to hear your thoughts soon…..Eileen
Have liked you on Facebook. Great resource for all of this. The only one I trust online….
Here is my “before” smile:

And here are a couple of after photos, from the front and from the side:


Thank you,
– Eileen from Michigan
Eileen,
I looked at all the photographs, and your smile looks quite attractive. I don’t see any problem with the work.
I would see this with some of my patients – they would try to analyze their teeth with their “left brain,” and that doesn’t work too well and doesn’t produce a beautiful result. To really appreciate the attractiveness of a smile, you need to “disconnect” your left brain and look at it with your right brain – to perceive the feeling that the smile gives you. If you look at it for too long or try to get analytical about it, you reduce the smile to logic and formulas and miss the beauty. And the smile you are showing me is quite attractive – it has a lovely, warm feeling to it. I think your dentist was correct to focus on getting the upper teeth looking attractive and not letting that be compromised by the lower teeth.
This is also a problem that so many dentists have when they try to do cosmetic dentistry. They are drawn to dentistry because they like to fix things and they are left-brained, analytical people, so they can’t produce a beautiful smile. They simply have no artistic flair. And they get that way by focusing on technical details without ever stepping back and taking an assessment of the “feeling” a smile conveys.
My opinion.
Thanks for sharing this with me.
By the way, if you want to see what your smile makeover will look like before actually doing the work, computer imaging for your smile is an option offered by many cosmetic dentists.
– Dr. Hall
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About David A. Hall
Dr. David A. Hall was one of the first 40 accredited cosmetic dentists in the world. He practiced cosmetic dentistry in Iowa, and in 1990 earned his accreditation with the American Academy of Cosmetic Dentistry. He is now president of Infinity Dental Web, a company in Mesa, Arizona that does advanced internet marketing for dentists.
Is it possible to save a few dollars on a beautiful smile makeover?
Dear Dr. Hall,
I had braces as a child however I never wore my retainer after they were removed due to the lisp they caused when I talked. As an adult, I’m now paying the price as my upper teeth are slightly crooked and my lower teeth have lots of crowding. My general dentist has also said I’ve worn the enamel off most of my teeth due to grinding/clenching. And to make everything worse, I have some yellow discoloration that my dentist has blamed on the large doses of antibiotics I was on as a child (was treated with IV antibiotics for several years on and off).
I also have a mild phobia of dentists and don’t go as often as I should.
The older I get, the more I realize that my smile is affecting my self-confidence and I really want to do something about it. I wouldn’t trust the guy I’m going to now for any cosmetic work, since reading your blog and looking at dozens of before and after shots from other dentist, I’m beginning to understand that you really need a professional who has a passion to get good quality work. A family member of mine has recommended me to his dentist, who did a lot of cosmetic work and gave him a beautiful smile makeover, but cost him upwards of $30,000+. I don’t have this kind of money to spend, and I personally think my family member was overcharged.
My question to you is can you recommend someone in my area that I can trust? I see a lot of advertisements in my area (I live close to NYC) for these “top rated” cosmetic dentists, but it seems like they all overcharge you so they can put another fountain in their office. I appreciate any feedback you can provide and I found your blog very knowledgeable!
Thanks,
Randy from New Jersey
Randy,
We have a variety of dentists that I recommend on mynewsmile.com as far as the fees that they charge. I don’t know the relative fees of most of the dentists we list – I do know some.
The ones we recommend in Manhattan are all expensive. And any dentist who markets heavily is likely to be expensive.
To get a handsome smile, it sounds like you will need a smile makeover with either porcelain veneers or porcelain crowns. Probably porcelain crowns – since you say you have worn your teeth down from grinding your teeth.
Here’s what I would do. You’re in New Jersey. Call the dentists on our New Jersey page and ask what their fee is for a porcelain crown. Some won’t give you a fee over the phone, but some will. And use that to find a dentist who fits your budget.
All the dentists I recommend have passed my careful screening, so I have confidence in all of their work. But not all of them are expensive. So give that technique a try.
If a dentist is really expensive, it’s not an indication that they do great work. Some mediocre dentists charge high fees. However, if a dentist is really cheap, it is generally a good indication that the work is poor. Some excellent dentists have moderate fees, and some have high fees. But that is the extent that the old maxim “you get what you pay for” works. What you want to find is that excellent dentist in your area whose fees are moderate.
Dr. Hall
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About David A. Hall
Dr. David A. Hall was one of the first 40 accredited cosmetic dentists in the world. He practiced cosmetic dentistry in Iowa, and in 1990 earned his accreditation with the American Academy of Cosmetic Dentistry. He is now president of Infinity Dental Web, a company in Mesa, Arizona that does advanced internet marketing for dentists.
How many porcelain veneers are in a smile makeover?
Dr. Hall,
How many veneers do people have to get to make all of their teeth look whiter?
– Bethany from Florida
Bethany,
The number of porcelain veneers required to do a smile makeover will vary from patient to patient, and you need to determine that in consultation with an expert cosmetic dentist with good artistic sense. One of the screening tools I use when I choose cosmetic dentists to recommend, when I examine their work, is to see how many teeth they have included in a smile makeover. Some dentists will treat someone and make their teeth distinctly whiter, and they will only treat the front six upper teeth. When I see that, I cross the dentist off.
Here are some guidelines:
When there is only a subtle color change, you can get by with veneering six teeth. Sometimes you can even get by with just four, because the canine teeth are naturally a little darker, so your smile will look natural even though nothing is done to the canines.
When there is a distinct color change, you need at least eight veneers on the upper, sometimes ten, sometimes twelve. You need to have someone look at your smile from the side and see how many teeth show. Any tooth that shows in a side view when you have a broad smile, needs to be treated.
Lower teeth can be left somewhat darker than upper teeth. These teeth, in a normal bite, will be overlapped by your upper teeth, and thus they tend to be in the shadows. So if they are darker than the uppers, that is usually okay, except for smiles that show a lot of lower teeth.
Also, you can reduce the number of teeth that need to be veneered by bleaching your teeth before getting porcelain veneers. You can bleach your back teeth and veneer the front ones, or you can bleach the lowers and just veneer the uppers.
Dr. Hall
About David A. Hall
Dr. David A. Hall was one of the first 40 accredited cosmetic dentists in the world. He practiced cosmetic dentistry in Iowa, and in 1990 earned his accreditation with the American Academy of Cosmetic Dentistry. He is now president of Infinity Dental Web, a company in Mesa, Arizona that does advanced internet marketing for dentists.
